Balhé a Linux kernel levelező listán

matt-07-devil-tuxSarah Sharp (az Intel és a Linux xHCI, valamint az USB3 driver fejlesztője) fellázadt a Linux kernel levelező listán és elítélte azt, hogy Linus Torvalds és a többi hasonló vezető fejlesztő folyamatosan verbálisan bántalmazza a többi fejlesztőt.

Az a viselkedés, hogy például Linus egyszerűen szemétnek minősíti mások munkáját, akár veszélyeztetheti is kernelt, hisz előbb utóbb egyre több embernek lesz elege belőle és, ha tényleg fellázadnak Linus egyedül (de a néhány vezető embereivel együtt) nem lesz képes fenntartani a kernelt, akármilyen minőségi munkát is ad ki a kezéből. De ha ez még nem is történik meg, akkor is a fejlesztés rovására mehet a dolog.

On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 08:22 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Listen to yourself. In fact, there is a damn good solution": don't
> mark crap for stable, and don't send crap to me after -rc4.
> 

I tend to hold things off after -rc4 because you scare me more than Greg
does ;-)

-- Steve
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Steven Rostedt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I tend to hold things off after -rc4 because you scare me more than Greg
> does ;-)

Have you guys *seen* Greg? The guy is a freakish giant. He *should*
scare you. He might squish you without ever even noticing.

              Linus

Sarah úgy döntött, hogy nem lesz többé “jó kislány” és fellázad és hosszas vitába keveredett Linusszal.

I've been through verbal abuse before. I won't take that shit from you,
or any of the other Linux kernel developers. Tell me, politely, what I
have done wrong, and I will fix it. You don't need to SHOUT, call me
names, or tell me to SHUT THE FUCK UP!

I'm not the only one that won't take verbal abuse. Stop abusing your
developers.

Sarah Sharp
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 03:36:15PM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 06:08:29PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 14:50 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Sarah Sharp
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh, FFS, I just called out on private email for "playing the victim
> > > > card". I will repeat: this is not just about me, or other minorities.
> > > > I should not have to ask for professional behavior on the mailing lists.
> > > > Professional behavior should be the default.
> > > 
> > > Bullshit.
> > > 
> > 
> > Can we please make this into a Kernel Summit discussion. I highly doubt
> > we would solve anything, but it certainly would be a fun segment to
> > watch :-)
> 
> I agree, KS is where this conversation should be taking place.
> Attendees for this conversation (so far) should be Greg KH, Linus,
> Darren Hart, Steve Rostedt, Willy Tarreau, and me.
> 
One thing you should keep in mind in your discussion is what can happen
if people get too polite with each other.

I have seen this happen at two large companies I worked for. Early on, flames
are acceptable and expected as response to someone publishing bad code which
breaks everything for everyone. Then, at some point, it is not acceptable
anymore to flame, and one is expected to be polite and friendly at all times.
"Your code breaks the build for every platform. Would you please kindly
consider fixing it ?"
Result is that code quality suffers, to the point where images don't even
build anymore.

I hope the Linux kernel never gets into that stage. To avoid that,
I am willing to be cursed at by Linus if I am the responsible party.

Guenter

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